Are we -humans- machines?

In addition to asking the important questions of how intelligent machines can get with AI, and whether AI can be conscious, maybe we should ask ourselves also whether we -humans- are machines? 

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/feb/02/from-bacteria-to-bach-and…

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/531146/what-it-will-take-for-compute…

Clibeanna
consciousness AGI

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Curtha isteach ag Norbert JASTROCH an Tue, 28/08/2018 - 21:39

No, we are not.

A machine cannnot ask the question "Am I a machine?".

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Curtha isteach ag Richard Benjamins an Tue, 28/08/2018 - 23:16

At this moment, I don't think we know; it is (still) a matter of intellectual arguments and beliefs rather than science. If a machine asks itself "am I a machine", the real point is what "happens inside" the machine when asking that question and whether that something is worthy of being considered something like "self-knowledge" or not. Of course, today it is not, no doubt. But can we be sure it never will be?

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Curtha isteach ag Norbert JASTROCH an Wed, 29/08/2018 - 17:05

Self-knowledge requires the constitution of a self, and this is a mental act (compare P. Rohs, Geist und Gegenwart, mentis, 2018). It must be doubted that it makes sense to speak of a something that is capable of mental acts in terms of a machine. Machine is a widely used term for some physical device which, in the form of a mechanical aggregate or in that of an automaton, can process physical functions. I am not aware of a substantiated theory how physical acts are caused by mental acts, or how a physical device can bring about mental acts.

Can we be sure it never will be? Obvoiusly not, but "science" does not mean to take anything that has not been falsified as probable (compare C. Rovelli's essay Physics Needs Philosophy, Philosophy Needs Physics in Foundation of Physics 48, 2018). At least, to make it more than mere speculation, some good reason should be presented if one claims that something can well be some day.

Perhaps "science" will once offer new terminological schemes that allow to speak senseful of humans, machines, and artificial intelligence in a context like this.